COVID-19 and the Global Predators: We Are the Prey
A Special Interview With Dr. Peter Breggin
By Dr. Joseph Mercola
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Welcome, everyone. This is Dr. Mercola helping you take control of your health. Today, we are joined by a repeat guest, Dr. Peter Breggin, who is most known for his work in psychiatry. He is a pioneer in the efforts of removing one of the most barbaric interventions ever developed in modern medical history, which is lobotomies.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
He’s pivoted and transitioned, because like most of us who are interested in serving the people with authentic information that’s going to move them towards health and keep them healthy, there really aren’t many other practical strategies you can pivot to in this last year or two because of what’s happened. He’s written a new book about COVID-19, so we’re going to dialogue about that book today. Welcome and thank you for joining us today.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Oh, it’s just great to see you, Dr. Mercola. We admire your work, and we’re fond of you, and delighted to be with you. I mean, my background person you were just chatting with, my wife Ginger, we’re delighted to be working with you.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah, yeah. It’s great to connect also with you, and so glad you have moved your direction and
interest to documenting the craziness of what’s been happening with COVID-19. I’m going to
pretty much let you lead with what you’d like to emphasize, because we could literally talk for 10 hours, and then only cover a small fraction of what we could cover.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
I have one personal curiosity, because there are very few people qualified in the field as you are
as to the underlying mechanism that allowed this wackiness to develop, which in my view,
seems to be the most effective propaganda campaign in the history of humanity. Nothing,
nothing, nothing has come close.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
I’ve seen some really clever analytics on this, and the strong suggestion that, thanks to the
effectiveness of this propaganda campaign, we have effectively created a mass psychosis, a mass
psychosis for 50% of the people. People who are normally rational, and can think clearly, and
they have good judgment have just lost this capacity and just been won over by this propaganda
campaign.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
I’m wondering if at least you can open on this and address this component because, to me, it’s
one of the most central cores of this and really guides our strategies. Because literally, you can
try to or seek to offer people who are in this psychosis the most logical, rational data and they
will refuse to believe it. It’s like literally talking to a brick wall. I think understanding the basis of
this will really help people at least save some of their energy, I believe.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Well, there are two parts to it, or two different approaches to it. One is, who is doing it? It’s
extremely important to get over what is, essentially, this attempt to make us all helpless, obedient
and docile, we have to know, who are the masters driving this? On the other hand, we have to
understand the mechanisms for this, what is essentially a Reign of Terror. It’s a subtle Reign of
Terror, which takes us back to the first real giant progressive revolution, which was simultaneous
with the formation of our country. We had the French Revolution and the Reign of Terror as an
opposing kind of revolution, a destructive revolution compared to our constructive revolution for
freedom, that was a revolution for domination, destruction, flattening, and that’s basically what
we’re looking at. We’re looking at a revolution against us that wants to make us feel helpless, like
children again.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
There’s an analogy in psychotherapy. In psychotherapy, we often see people who have been
terribly, terribly abused by their parents, but they cannot face it, they can’t understand it. They
can’t identify it as evil. They can’t say that, “It was evil for my father to sexually abuse me. It was
evil for my mother to participate and go along with it.” It was evil in the extreme, when you see
people who have been ritually abused, for this to take place where families were getting together
and abusing their children and doing it in a ritual fashion.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
For the outsider, often it’s impossible to even believe this takes place because we human beings,
we just can’t bear to look at evil. We can’t bear to think that there are people out to harm us and
manipulate us. We can’t bear to think there are people different from us, people who actually take
pleasure from injury and domination, literally pleasure from it, the way we might from a hug or –
well, I’m not actually comparing them but from the pleasures we would take, which are peaceful
and loving.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
I want to identify first, who are these people? Who’s doing this to us? It’s time to face it and to
get rid of the idea that this is chance, or this is crazy, or this is bizarre, or this makes no sense.
How does it make sense that they’re absolutely ignoring the fact that in America now, we have
over 13,000 reports of death, to the CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention), from the
vaccine and no one is investigating, and no one’s doing anything. In the years before this, if all
the vaccines together had 200 deaths it would be a catastrophe, and if one vaccine had more than
20 or 30, and certainly over 100 it would be a catastrophe. Now we have a vaccine that has more
deaths than all the vaccines ever put together, so how can we ignore that?
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Then on the other hand, we get all these huge numbers of deaths from COVID, and they’re
falsified by many ways that I’m sure you’ve discussed on-air and in your book. We look at this
situation, and is that crazy? Well, no. That makes perfect sense if you’re trying to intimidate and
overwhelm a population. You exaggerate the danger that’s out there, the terror. You take a flulike illness that is safer than the flu in terms of how it spares children and young adults, and
attacks people, on average, my age. I’m 85. That’s kind of the average of the age of the deaths of
people, killing people who are already past their predicted lifespan.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
You take this relatively benign epidemic, if you want to even call it that, and make it into the
horror show by exaggerating everything. Then if you think, “Well, what is their goal? What are
they really getting out of this? They don’t want any early treatments at all,” so I’m going to try to
make it rational for folks. What’s their goal if they don’t want early treatments? Why would they
suppress early treatments? We have ivermectin, we have hydroxychloroquine. It’s somewhat
complicated, but easy for an experienced physician, or a nurse practitioner, or even a layperson
who’s educated. Mostly a good physician or a practitioner of some sort, who could treat people
and save millions of people, if there are millions, and certainly save thousands and hundreds of
thousands with simple treatment, why would you stop that?
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Well, you’re already exaggerating the deaths, and you’re already minimizing the harm caused by
the vaccine, so could this be, at the start, all about the vaccines? The way I put it is that the spike
protein is the spearhead of an assault on humanity that has nothing to do with COVID-19
whatsoever but is planned, through COVID-19, in order to vastly increase the wealth of
numerous institutions, numerous individuals of many, many different stripes but many of them,
unfortunately, originating from America, who are working in collaboration with the Chinese
Communist Party, as the book demonstrates painfully, accurately, to increase this vast
exploitation of the world.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Now, why is America hit so hard? Why is Canada being so humiliated? Why is Great Britain
being so humiliated? Why is Australia? Why are the seats of liberty under the most attack from
COVID-19? Well, the Chinese have been sinking their teeth into us for a long, long time because
we are the seat of liberty, and Israel too, of course, as an ally. We are the seat of liberty in this
world. We are the only country that was formed on the basis, not of making its citizens helpless
and under the monarchy or totalitarian powers, but to liberate people.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Government was there to enforce the protection of people’s liberties as a primary purpose, so the
Declaration of Independence, which is like a preamble to the Constitution. It all begins to make
sense. Now, why are people in Africa doing better, and India now has gotten out of a big jam
using ivermectin? Well, because the forces are most locked into those of us who are now free,
and they’re aiming to destroy us. Now, this is terrifying, folks, but it shouldn’t make you anxious,
afraid, guilty, ashamed, helpless. It should arouse you to look with reason at what in the world is
happening in the world.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Now, I can track for you exactly how this evolved in recent times. It has in ancient history. I
mean since Caesar, and Genghis Khan, and African tribes that dominated Africa, the Inca
Empire that dominated much of America when the Spanish got here. There’s always been this
tendency to keep people in thralldom, once we got into villages and cities. Not when we were
hunter-gatherers. Couldn’t be done. We were independent people, independent families, hunting
and gathering, but once we got together, very vulnerable, having somebody become a chief or
take over, very vulnerable to that, and we often invited it as we do now.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
What’s happening to us now, another important point, is not new and unexpected and never heard
of. It has how humanity has always lived, in thralldom, since we’ve been in large groups. The
one exception was the founding of America, and that spread democracy to many nations in the
world. We got free from England, and then our principles liberated England, so we are the
beacon of liberty. We are the one bastion against thralldom, and they’re out to reinstate Middle
Ages, or whatever metaphor you want to use. The Empire. I think it’s going to be the Chinese
Empire.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Let’s just look at the last 10 years and look at the mechanism so you can identify people. I’ve just
done something, Joe, I want to send to you. I just finished it last night. It’s a four-pager, where I
summarize who these people are, from the book. It’s based on the book. In 2010, that’s 10 years
before COVID-19, Bill Gates announced the Decade of the Vaccine, and who do you think was
right with him as a partner in the declaration? Anthony Fauci.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Anthony Fauci, at that time was made – I think it was at that time, but certainly by 2010 — a
partner through Bill Gates’ very small vaccine committee, which is a group of globalists. The UN
was involved in other global organizations, but there’s Fauci and his NIAID, his National
Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, right there at the beginning. A very key – now, he’s
announcing that, and think about it. What happens? A decade later, we have COVID-19. Is that a
coincidence? He was on a 10-year plan. I’m not saying it’s all Bill Gates. Not even close to that.
You can’t have anything without huge cooperation.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Then in 2015, there’s a big event for Gates and the predators who were looking forward to a
pandemic. In 2015, it becomes assured they can make a pandemic, and they can play with
making vaccines. Not effective. In fact, quite deadly, the vaccines. Very clear in the animal
research, if you’re a vulnerable animal, you die. So you get the vaccine and if that doesn’t do you
in, if you’re exposed to the COVID afterward, then you get very sick and you die, 2015.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Ginger and I found this paper. Nobody was looking at it. It was a paper with funding from Fauci,
and the paper was a collaborative study with the top two Chinese at the Wuhan Institute. The
paper showed, in 2015, that cooperating together, the Chinese Communist, because all these
people who are that high up, if they’re not Communists, they are under the Communist Party.
They’re under, not only the Communist Party, they’re under the People’s Liberation Party, the
Army, the People’s Liberation Army, because there’s a fusion in China between the military and
the civilian. It’s called the Military-Civil Fusion. They all work together.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
You can’t be a scientist in China without being a scientist for the Communist Party. That’s the
nature of the totalitarian state. People don’t realize that, but Fauci had to know. Fauci had to
know he was funding a potential pandemic virus. In fact, in the last few days, it’s come out from
his emails that have been finally obtained through Freedom of Information by a few different
groups, from Fauci’s emails that he actually gave them instructions for how to combine, for
going ahead and – not instructions, because he’s not that smart, but for his goal of combining
several SARS-CoV type viruses to make an actual SARS-CoV virus.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
One thing folks don’t know is there’s never been a SARS-CoV virus found in nature, never.
Never has there been one found in nature, but there are untold numbers of SARS-CoV viruses
floating around labs. As for calling it a conspiracy theory, to think that the Chinese would have
been making these viruses – excuse me. They actually had four leaks of SARS-CoV viruses back
in 2003 and ’04, so that’s how long they’ve been working on this.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Here we have China and America making what are essentially biological weapons. The excuse
being, “Hey, we’re going to make vaccines.” I wrote, and Ginger wrote in April of 2020,
vaccines aren’t going to work, and they know it because the coronavirus mutates all the time. If
you make a vaccine for the Chinese virus, it’s not going to last long because it’ll just help force
these mutations to come out. Because if you’re suppressing one mutation of a virus, one
formation of a virus, then the many others that are floating around, the mutations, one of them
will take its place, usually a weaker virus, but that’s going to spread more, just like our Delta
virus is. It’s the weaker virus, doesn’t kill its host, but really gets spread more. Also, it has
escaped the vaccine. I hope that’s clear. It’s pretty complicated stuff for a minute, but all this was
predictable and we talked about it way back before the middle of 2020.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
They knew all this. I knew it. I’d never even worked in the area of virology. I wrote my first
article on vaccines, just by chance, a few months before COVID. I wrote about how the vaccines
were not being properly studied by the FDA (Food and Drug Administration) and what the FDA
was doing, but I never thought ahead to something like this. Bill Gates now knows in 2015 that a
pandemic virus can be made and they’re already in the labs of China and the U.S., who are
collaborating, and he knows Fauci, who’s been his key guy since at least 2010, is in the middle of
all this, probably has a great deal of control over it, who will take orders from Bill.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Bill, in 2016 – one year later – creates a business plan, and I don’t know how I found this one. I
think it was God just pulling the strings on my fingers, but I pull out of Klaus Schwab’s website,
Bill Gates’ business plan for the world for the next pandemic. It’s about 65 pages long. You can
find it on my website now. Go to the Coronavirus Resource Center on Breggin.com and then
look for the background materials for the book, and you will become one of the first people in
the world, outside of the predators, to see the business plan that they made in 2016.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
That business plan lays out everything that’s happening to us now. In particular, it lays out that
Bill Gates will be working with – it’s not called Bill Gates. It’s called CEPI, C-E-P-I, an
organization that Bill Gates founds in 2017, but he’s describing it in 2016, reports it in ’17, that
he has founded with Schwab, the man who will eventually announce the Great Reset in 2020, but
who had been working on it his whole life.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
You have Schwab, and you have a powerful organization that represents the drug companies
working with him, a huge trust in Great Britain. They’re getting together and in the earliest plan,
it says the pharmaceutical industry will have no costs during the pandemic. Their costs, and even
their indirect costs will be covered. Later, in another document I’ll tell you about related to this
document, they say that not only that, but Bill Gates’ group, CEPI, will get some of the profits, of
this huge profits as they expect that will be fed back to Bill Gates.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
In 2016, ’17, Bill Gates is organizing with, I’m going to name who in a minute, with whom, with
these initial investor, these initial partners, describing how companies he’s already investing in,
personally and through his foundation, will be making a fortune. They will be guaranteed by the
government or by foundations to have no out-of-pocket expenses and they will build platforms to
put in place, the minute the pandemic occurs, that can rush through vaccines at warp speed. He
doesn’t say that, but basically, he describes that he’s already working with the drug companies to
build what will eventually be called Operation Warp Speed, and poor, deluded Trump. I love
Donald Trump, in a way, deeply for what he’s done for America First and liberty, but he got
either duped or colluded. I think he just got duped. He couldn’t believe he was being duped by
everybody. Everybody was duping him and he couldn’t believe it. He then thinks he’s creating
Operation Warp Speed, when he’s implementing Bill Gates’ original plan.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Then comes the year 2017, and in 2017, Gates and Fauci – I’m sorry. Gates and Schwab, at
Schwab’s annual meeting of the World Economic Forum, they announce this program. In the
summer of 2017, and this was another amazing find that Ginger and I made, but I take proud
ownership of these two finds. In July 2017, based on the original plan, CEPI, and that’s Bill
Gates. It’s also Fauci. It’s also Wellcome Trust and a few of the other powers, but it’s basically
Bill Gates, and the intellectual leader is Schwab, and Fauci’s involved since he’s been with Gates
since the beginning. They make a big PowerPoint for the World Health Organization, and you’ll
find that in the same place on Breggin.com.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Go to the Coronavirus Resource Center. Go to the resources for the book, which is “COVID-19
and the Global Predators.” “COVID-19 and the Global Predators,” which by the way, you can
buy now. The first copies have been shown to us on a video today, that the book is being printed.
The first copies are sitting there. They’re going out to the 13,000 people or plus who have already
ordered in advance. You can buy the book in advance at a really inexpensive price in Canada and
the U.S., U.S. and Canada. You can buy the book in Europe. You can sign up to get notified
when you can get it. Just go to wearetheprey.com. Go to WeAreThePrey.com to get the book.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
In 2017, in this PowerPoint, he repeats – you’ll find these things, they’re the only diagrams in the
book. You’ll find these slides in the book, but you’ll also find the entire presentation on
Breggin.com. I put them up yesterday, Joe. I wanted to get them up for you. In it, they repeat that
the drug companies will have no losses. I think the actual words are, “No loss:” or something like
that, and it describes this and how then CEPI will get the cream of the profits.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
It says, basically that Bill Gates, he’s mentioned by name, will be involved in the organization of
the generation of the actual vaccines, and all the wealth working with various people and that the
World Health Organization will take over all the rest. Imagine that. They have no powers like
this, legally. They’re not the rulers of the world. They’re not the courts or the congresses of the
world. They’re making this up for themselves because they have so much power. Behind the
World Health Organization is the UN. Behind the UN and the World Health Organization is
Communist China’s huge power, huge power. They announce that the World Health
Organization will then take the scientific side of it and own that, and set the standard for
medicine, for the vaccines, for all that stuff.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
If you want to know, how does a Reign of Terror occur overnight? You organize vast businesses,
you organize the government agencies, you organize all these people. You get a powerful leader
like Bill Gates, because he has money everywhere. By the way, he funds World Health
Organization, not just through the Bill and Melinda Gates. You’ll find out in the book there’s
three foundations he funds that are giving money to the World Health Organization.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Now, if you look at 2017 and who is partnering with Bill Gates, 2016, ’17, you look at the two
documents that are on my website or you read the book, it’s all in the book, who is working, in
2016 and ’17, announced as partners with CEPI, with Bill Gates, with Klaus Schawb, with the
drug companies? Well, you find out the drug companies are, but this is the part you’re not going
believe until you read it.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Partners include the FDA, CDC, even BARDA (Biomedical Advanced Research and
Development Authority), and that awful person named Bright, B-R-I-G-H-T, from BARDA. The
big government agencies, NIH (National Institutes of Health) and NIAID are there. They’re all
there working with Bill Gates and CEPI in 2016, ’17, and is planning meetings, and BARDA
remains on his planning board with Rick Bright. Now, who is Rick Bright? Rick Bright is the
key man in the deep state who prevented Donald Trump from opening up the treatment of all of
America and preventing probably 80 – well, studies show it would have prevented 87% of the
deaths and – I’m sorry. 75% of the deaths and 87% of the hospitalizations. That’s exactly
accurate. I can’t believe all this information is in this old brain. We’ve been working hard, Joe.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Rick Bright at BARDA, B-A-R-D-A, capital letters, was the key in all this, well, a point man in
preventing you and I, and everybody else from having easy access to very effective treatments.
Again, why? Because it was the Decade of Vaccine, that’s all it was ever about. It was never
about anything else. Finding a way to get rich and powerful.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Now, how close are Bill Gates and the World Health Organization? One of the things you’ll see
in the PowerPoint is a statement that CEPI has created a memorandum of understanding with the
World Health Organization. Who is this? When I look at Bill Gates, I see a creepy 10-year-old in
short pants acting like an adult and giggling while he does it. This is a bizarre man, a bizarre
man. He, through his own created foundation, CEPI, C-E-P-I, has a memorandum of
understanding, which is the next thing to an absolutely binding contract, with the World Health
Organization. There’s a goldmine of research here, because they spread these memorandums of
understanding around to a lot of different groups.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
You want to know, how does the Reign of Terror … That’s what I started with. How does the
Reign of Terror get organized? I’m telling you, in the deepest way you’ve ever heard, power gets
organized. So by the time they’re through – oh, I have more fun for you. 2017, to show you that
none of this is chance, Bill Gates announces, in announcing CEPI, that the two companies he’s
working with are Moderna and Pfizer. You’ll get the quotes, you’ll see it all in the book. Moderna
and Pfizer.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
What are they working on? Bill Gates says this in 2017 in obscure videos I found. He’s making
RNA, he doesn’t say “m,” RNA and DNA vaccines, 2017. Fast-forward, 2020, what are the two
vaccines? They’re not even vaccines, they’re making us into GMO people, but these so-called
vaccines, what are the first two in America approved? Pfizer and Moderna, right on top of each
other, and they are given, just as Gates demanded in his business plan, he calls it his preliminary
business plan, which you can read, they get billions of dollars from the federal government,
through BARDA, more through NIH, and then more through NIAID, and direct help because
they’re doing vaccine work to help these companies at NIH in their own labs. See the tie-ins,
folks?
Dr. Peter Breggin:
The money, he spreads money, Gates, he spreads money to a foundation that’s a part of the CDC.
He spreads money to the equivalent of our FDA in Great Britain. He spreads money to the South
African monitoring agency. He spreads money to the only real watchdog international program
called Cochrane. My friend, Peter Gøtzsche, helped found it. Spreads money to them, so they fire
Gøtzsche and instead of being watchdog agency, he turns the biggest monitoring agency,
voluntary public monitoring agency, not under anybody’s control, until Bill Gates. Turns them,
it’s called Cochrane, turns Cochrane into a pet of the vaccine manufacturers.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
How much did it cost Bill Gates? Bill Gates has billions and billions. How much did it cost Bill
Gates to get the founder, Peter Gøtzsche, fired and to turn them completely around to instead of
reports, they’re literally putting out what are like comic book, glossy things they call “science”
but they’re actually, got pictures of smiling people and vaccines? It cost him a lousy million
bucks. That’s how cheap some of these people go for in these organizations. No wonder he
controls so much.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Everything that’s happening to us was developed and planned ahead of time. Now, people say,
“We don’t understand,” and that’s really, almost everybody thinks that there was no animal
testing of the vaccines, there wasn’t time, and blah, blah, blah. Animal testing of these vaccines
go back to the early 2020s. What am I saying? 2008, 2010, you’ll find it in the book. What they
continually found is that any vaccine, including, because several of the studies were about RNA
or DNA vaccines, that any coronavirus vaccine for SARS-CoV – because remember, they’re
creating SARS-CoVs in the lab, lots of them, all kinds, so they can experiment with the vaccines.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
You know what they use? They use what Ginger calls, my wife calls “Frankenmice.” You take a
poor mouse and you develop it abnormally so that it has human lung epithelia, and then you can
see what happens to the mouse, how these things kill the mice. They find that, first of all, the
mutations are so rapid, it’s going to be a problem, but worse than that, the vaccines that they do
give to the mice end up making them susceptible to horrible outcomes, if they actually get
COVID. They don’t get very good protection, and when they get COVID, they get very, very
sick and many of them die.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Then you ask yourself, “This was known?” Yes. How well-known? In 2020, while Operation
Warp Speed is going on and they’re rushing these human experiments, a paper comes out from
independent people in a major journal, through Fauci funding. He probably funded it without
knowing what was going to happen, or he didn’t care, saying these vaccines, all of them, not just
the mRNA and the DNA, but even the killed vaccines, they’re too dangerous to even try on
humans. This comes out in 2020. You’ll find it in the book.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Again, you can get the book at www.WeAreThePrey.com, and buy it very cheap right now in
Canada, and you can buy it in the U.S. Send us a note from Europe and we’ll tell you when it’s
available there. They knew all of this. There’s no surprises to them. They knew what they were
doing. Going back to Dr. Mercola’s question-
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
It’s only been about 45 minutes, or 40 minutes.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
I’ve never done this before, Joe. It’s just coming together in my head, and just seeing you perks
me up. I’ve never put it together like this. I’ve got notes, sheets, but you see, I’m not using them.
I’m not even turning head. It’s just, now it’s so in there that I put it together in a way right now
than is better than ever before. I hope it’s just clear as day to everybody, so don’t get scared, get
angry. Don’t get demoralized. They want that. Do you know, one of the things Ginger found that
blew me away very early on was that there is a whole school of public health that talks about
how to intimidate and engender fear to get people to do what you want. This is bizarre, it’s called
fear appeal, how to appeal to people by scaring them, intimidating them.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
It’s systematic, and public health people have always been totalitarian in nature. I mean, you read
a compendium of public health writings, and it’s all about public health people telling the
communities what they must do come the next public health threat. They don’t say, “Preserve the
Bill of Rights.” No. They don’t say, “Make sure we check this out in the courts.” Or, “We have a
body supervising us for our ethics, and to protect the folks.” No, no, no. They’re, by nature, a lot
of public health people, certainly the ones that rise to the top, which is generally the case in
institutions. In institutions, the cream doesn’t rise to the top, but people who will do anything to
get to the top rise to the top. That’s the basic situation. I’m going to stop talking, after an amazing
45 minutes.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Well, thank you for sharing that. Most of that information is not new, at least to people watching
my video series. We’ve heard this before, but it still comes back to the central core of the
question. Especially in light of what happened last weekend, when we have this outrageous and
egregious expression of authoritarian, dictatorial control, which is essentially mandated vaccines
for the entire country, close to the entire country. It’s required all companies with more than 100
employees to require mandatory vaccines or weekly proof of vaccine, or not a vaccine, but
COVID testing.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Interestingly, if you look at the justifications for this, it really makes sense because the
arguments they use are pretty solid. They are really solid. I’ve got to give them that, but the
problem is that the arguments are all fatally flawed and based on 100% bullshit. That, A, this is a
dangerous disease that is killing enormous amounts of people.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
People died, of course, but not much more than a typical flu. The risk of dying from this is less
than a half of 1% for most everyone, and that, B, that the vaccine is safe, and nothing could be
further from the truth. As you mentioned, we’ve already had 14,000 people, documented through
the VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) database, which is at least 1 to 10% of
the under-reported. That means you could add a zero to two zeros on that, and legitimately five,
which puts us well over 50,000 deaths, well over a million adverse reports, events rather.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Then it would make sense if, A, there was a real threat out there and that the vaccine worked, and
that there was no side effects, and if there were side effects, “It’s okay. We’ve got you covered.
The government’s going to take care of you. We’re going to pay any damages.” No, they’ve done
the exact opposite. They are forcing people to take an injection under enormous threats that if
they suffer any, any harm at all or die, they are 100% responsible, not the company that made it.
That you are personally responsible because you were stupid enough to take the vaccine.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Let me retract that, “Stupid enough” because, just as a preface, just getting back as a recent
illustration of the massive effectiveness of their propaganda campaign. That they can get to the
point where they can make claims like this and justifications like this that are perfectly rational,
but the underlying basis has been absolutely hidden, that their arguments are fundamentally and
fatally flawed because there’s just no justification for this. To mandate a vaccine that if you die or
you don’t die, you’re just unfortunate enough to be injured the rest of your life and generate a
million dollars in medical bills, you are 100% responsible for them and will eventually be
medically bankrupt. This has happened to many, many, many people.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
At least in the swine flu, in the ’70s when they had the vaccine, which you alluded to earlier, they
stopped after 25 deaths or maybe a total of 50 deaths, and they did wind up paying those injuries.
They paid $3 billion, I believe, but no, there literally would be hundreds of billions of dollars in
damages from the vaccine, but not a penny’s going to be paid out to them. Instead, hundreds of
billions of dollars of profit will be generated, as you mentioned, to the vaccine companies,
largely generated through Gates, and CEPI, and Gavi, and a collusion and alliance with the
World Health Organization, and Klaus Schawb.
Dr. Peter Breggin: And China.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Anyway, it gets back to the point, which I think, and I want you to share your positive thoughts
and actions that we can take. Because this mass psychosis, which we’ve had other historical
illustrations of, like the Salem witch trials, where they were able to convince the community,
some really irrational, illogical things, but the whole community believed and it was a mass
psychosis, which is what they’ve done to the United States, and pretty much the whole entire
world that has been exposed to this.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Literally, it’s the minority of people who are not encapsulated in this psychosis, so I’m wondering
if you could comment because you’re so well-skilled and talented, and have the depth of
knowledge to really help us understand how the hell they did this, other than the mechanics.
Because we know the mechanics, and we could go on for 10 more hours talking about the other
details, but I want to know, from a psychological perspective.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Well, human beings, as to babies, we’re newborn into a state of helplessness. No other creature is
born as helpless as we are. We’re essentially a fetus outside the womb, in the beginning. The
reason for that, I believe, is that we are a social animal, so the early stages of our relations, of our
brain growth, and as you know, I’m sure Joe, the brain doubles in size in the first year of life.
That occurs in a social environment.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
We have a social brain, so we are very tied to each other. That’s the whole purpose of that
socialization, that slow growth, that dependency over the years. While that gives us enormous
power, because as a social being, we used to be able to kill mammoths with literally pointed
sticks, before we even had real spears, because we could team up and gather round. It was
usually the men, and the women could go out, they could hunt and gather, and stick together, and
protect each other and their babies, and so on, so very social. That’s what allowed us, as extended
families, hunter, gatherers, to survive and to be different than all other creatures.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
It’s our social relationships that makes us unique. They also give us our pleasure and our grief.
Now, built into all of us is that potential for feeling very helpless again. We can become, in
moments, little children again, if we’re not aware of it. If we’re not aware that when we start
feeling guilty, or shame, or anxious, or overwhelmingly afraid, which is anxiety, if we’re feeling
those things, we can easily become helpless, and that’s basically what’s going on. I think it’s fine
to call it a psychosis. I prefer to call it an overwhelming helplessness that overcomes the nation.
If you identify it as helplessness, you can see right away, “Well, that isn’t doing me any good.”
Now, if in childhood you’re abused, then that helplessness remains with you into adulthood.
That’s how powerful those early years are, and you have to work hard to overcome it.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
The model, for me, of psychotherapy is overcoming these negative emotions, guilt, shame,
anxiety. Overcoming the basic helplessness that relates to them. I talk about that in a book called
“Guilt, Shame, and Anxiety,” and we have to overcome it. We have to identify what was done to
us. If you’re an adult, it really helps to identify that, yes, you were sexually abused. Or, yes, you
were not loved. You made believe you were loved, or you thought you were loved, but you were
not really loved growing up. Or, yes, you really were bullied by your older brother or your big
sister. Or, yes, school was a horror for you because you didn’t feel like the other kids, for one
reason or another, and you felt ostracized or humiliated.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
You look back and you see what’s going on and what happened, and that helps you see it’s not
you, so there’s nothing wrong with half of America. There’s nothing wrong with those of us who
are patriotic. There’s nothing wrong with those of us who believe in God. There’s nothing wrong
with those of us who really admire the founders of the country, even though they were human
beings and they had corrupt, horrible practices like slavery, but they had these amazing ideas.
Many of them were very great and good men and women, Abigail and John Adams, Martha and
George Washington. Strong, devoted people who risked their entire lives and fortunes to give us
a free nation.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
We need to know what happened. We are being oppressed by evil people. Nothing is by chance.
We might as well be children being tormented and turned into helpless beings. We have to say to
each other, “No more. No more helplessness. No more lamenting. No more complaining. No
more saying, ‘What’s happening to us?'” It’s very clear what’s happening to us. It’s the age-old
tendency for power to rise to the top and to abuse everybody again, only now it’s high-tech, and
now they have these fake vaccines that are sort of high-tech, and so on. It’s the same old scaring
the hell out of us by all the methods that Joe has been talking about so much and I’ve been
talking about so much. We won’t name all those methods again, but they’re all calculated to cow
us, and so we can look at this and not say, “What they’re doing is crazy.” No, it’s not crazy. It’s
intentional, and purposeful and we must stand up to it.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
This is true whether we’re an abused adult in the family or in a marriage. It’s true wherever we
are. We must understand and not allow ourselves to be abused and rendered helpless again.
Americans, we need to get together. We need to give each other comfort and love, and
inspiration. We need to support, from a tactical viewpoint, we need to get involved together. I
can tell you that when Ginger and I made the terrifying decision to take on COVID-19, to really
risk my whole life’s work for so many years, where I have a wonderful reputation as the
conscience of psychiatry, to actually join many other people fighting for America’s freedom,
very scary choice, but once we did, we started meeting tons of people. We got to know Joe
Mercola. We got to meet all kinds of wonderful people.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
The introductions to my book are by people I never imagined knowing. Peter McCullough, the
great cardiologist, wrote an introduction. Zev Zelenko, who risked his life and his whole
reputation to declare that, “There is a good treatment, and here it is,” and almost got the President
to support it until he got crushed. You meet wonderful people. You’ll meet people in your
community, if you joined a school board, or join the Republican, or Libertarian, or Conservative
Party, or wherever you can get a foothold to stand up for the founding of the nation. I call us the
Re-Founders. We’re all re-founders of America. It’s a critical moment in time.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Instead of feeling sorry for ourselves, think to yourself, God put us, or history put us in a place
where we can make one of the hugest differences of all time. We can have effects beyond
anything we imagined, and you will, at the same time be meeting all these new and amazing
people. I hardly knew a single colleague in psychiatry that I could be proud to say I knew them,
because psychiatry is one of the spearheads of oppression in many, many ways. I’m not talking
about psychotherapy at all. I’m talking about psychiatrists who diagnose you and give you drugs,
a very oppressive thing, another way of making you helpless.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
We have to say, “No. I’m not going to drug my feelings. I’m going to channel them into anger,”
but then don’t get overwhelmed with anger. Make new friends, support new institutions. Instead
of listening to ABC, and NBC, and CNN, listen to Joe Mercola. Yeah, listen to Alex Jones. I
thought I’d never say that on the air in my entire life, because I bought the Kool-Aid.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
You took the red pill, not the blue pill.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
You’re going to just meet these amazing, amazing people. Our lives have been richer than ever
before because we decided, scared as we were, to take this thing on. Everybody who can
understand what I’m saying is needed in this world now. Join, get yourself off of YouTube. Go to
Brighteon.com, Mike Adams, another freedom fighter. He’s got a place that you can trust. He’s
not going to take you off for being for freedom, or being for God, or being for the founding of
this country. We have to build alternative institutions. We will not re-take CNN, but we can
build our alternative institutions. We need to know that there is a war against us.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Now, ironically, Bill Gates is not as important in this war as he thinks, because what they are
doing in collaboration with Communist China, and I detail that in our book, I detail it, they’re
collaborating with the Chinese Communist Party, and when they succeed in weakening America,
if they do, Bill Gates is not going to be a hero to anybody in the Communist Party. They’ll eat
him alive. They’ll make his currency digital, take it away from him. They’ll cancel his currency,
or they’ll kill him, or they’ll torture him, or whatever. That’s the enemy we’re ultimately up
against, and they have a stealth war against us, so read some good books. I’ve got stuff in it, but
there are people, long before me, who’ve been writing about China and how it’s taken over so
many of our institutions, working with the elite, working with the elite.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Be proud, be an American, be a patriot. Stand up for liberty. Say you believe in the founders of
America. Yes, yes, you know about their flaws and all that. Look at their principles. Look at the
Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, especially the Bill of Rights. That’s your legacy,
you are throwing it away, you are doing nothing to protect. Probably since the Civil War, this is
the biggest threat to freedom in America. It’s much bigger than the Civil War in that it’s a war
against all of the Western democracies. Again, it’s no chance event that the English-speaking
Western nations are particularly taking this hard. That’s part of the plan. It was announced.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
It was announced by a whole bunch of these folks that America, particularly Trump’s America,
particularly the America Firsters. All the people we track in the book are China Firsters instead
of America Firsters. Most amazing thing that we unraveled, that I’m not sure anyone else has
unraveled. It’s just astonishing. It freaked us out in the beginning. We got scared. We got
overwhelmed. We felt like we were struggling with the devil. My wife, who’s a Christian, said,
“We are struggling with the devil.” Well, let me go back to Joe, because I’ve probably taken up a
lot of air time here.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
No, no. This is exactly what I wanted you to discuss, so thank you for elaborating on that.
Because I think it’s so easy to go deep in the weeds and all the specifics of how they’ve been able
to carry out this elaborate, sophisticated plan that, obviously, as you’ve alluded to and many
others, more well beyond a decade, probably two decades. There’s a patent history and research
documented grants that support this has gone on for two decades.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
It’s easy to get caught up in that, and I think, really it’s so much more productive to focus on
positive things that we can do, and a perspective to know that there is some hope and victory
because it’s so easy to get depressed, especially if you just look at this objectively, it seems to be
getting worse every week.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
It is.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
We’re losing more freedoms, and so if it goes at this rate, it’s like we are going to have a social
credit system that’s comparable to China, and I think you are right. That is the end game. The end
game is complete authoritarian, totalitarian control, very similar to what you have in China. I
don’t think anyone watching this wants that.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Yeah, and I really want to help people replace the fear and confusion, like, “How could they do
this?” The worst thing you can say to yourself is, “How could they do this? What are they doing
to me?” I remember when the diaries of some of the people, the leaders in the Warsaw Ghetto …
They weren’t really leaders. The leaders were fighting and dying in the streets against the Nazis
in the Warsaw Ghetto, slowing down their progress and tying up large numbers of troops. The
rabbis, the intellectuals, they were saying, “God, why have you done this to us? Why have you
done-” What do you mean, “Why?” This is the history of the world. I mean, read the Bible. The
first family, the one son kills the other over jealousy, lies to the father. This is the history of the
world.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Stop lamenting, stop complaining. Be joyful, and I mean joyful. We won’t always be joyous – be
joyful that you are in a moment of time when you can help turn the tide again the way our
founders did. We really have an opportunity to get together, create our own institutions, fight
back, take big risks. Do you know the founders of our country, each and every one who signed
the Declaration of Independence, consciously knew that they had created King George’s hit list.
Every single one of them knew that if the war was lost, they’d be sought out and hanged. King
George promised it when he saw the list.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Imagine John Adams when he heard, “Hey, John. You’re really on the top of the list,” because
John’s going back and forth in a boat, little tiny boats to France and back, and to England and
back supporting the Revolution. Not to England, after the Revolution started. He could have
been hung at sea, and never see his beloved Abigail again, or his children, one of whom becomes
President of the United States, never see them again. All right. That’s the legacy we have. It is so
great. It is so meaningful, and I believe, God-controlled or driven.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
I don’t know whether God controls or he supports. I don’t have a theology. I think it’s beyond me,
but I know there’s a presence of God behind us, of a loving God not a hating God, so don’t get
into hating. That’s not the point of it all. The point is to get strong, collaborate, fight together,
take risks. We need giant protests. More and more, the Conservatives are finally calling for
peaceful but huge protests. Why should the Australians, the French, the Germans, and the
English be ahead of the United States in protesting what’s going on?
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
So massive civil disobedience.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
I think it’s actually, it has to come to that. It has to come to that. I agree 100% with Joe. My
emphasis about, it’s going to get worse. My emphasis is, that’s the plan. The plan always starts
with one piece of oppression, two pieces. They work you up, like the proverbial frog in the hot
water, which is probably not a true story, but that’s the metaphor, until you’re cooked, boiled, so
it’s inevitable, folks. Don’t wait for it to end. Whoever’s behind Joe, whether it’s his wife, or
Barack Obama. I don’t know why we don’t know. I don’t know who’s not looking hard in that
area. I’m sure there’d be a way to find out who’s behind Joe, because it’s not Joe. There’s nothing
inside of Joe much now, but this is the plan. It’s not going to just get better by itself, absolutely
will not.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
This is the way it’s always been. I think Joe is right. This particular plan goes back a long ways,
but it all goes back to the difference between the American Revolution in which Washington did
nothing to terrorize his own people. He didn’t even seize goods from his own people. Paid for
everything he could. He didn’t imprison his own people. He didn’t even torture the enemy
soldiers. It goes back to that Civil War, which was Conservative. It said, “We want our freedoms
back. We have been free. We’ve been so far away from you, George, we’re free, King George.”
Versus the corrupt Revolution of 1789 in France, where you have an increasing Reign of Terror.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
I think that eventually in this world, we will – I’ve said this before, Joe. We’re going to have a
Reign of Terror. It inevitably goes that way until there’s either a fight back or people become so
docile that they only need occasional examples of terrorization. We have to fight back. I’ve never
put it so clearly in my life, folks, but there’s no doubt about it. This is the situation. I’m not
talking about violence. I think we first have to work ourselves up to see if we can do this with
just plain dissent. Be like Gandhi, be like Martin Luther King and take brave risks. I think that’s
where we have to go. Joe?
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yes. The book is “COVID-19 and the Global Predators: We Are the Prey.” It’s going to be
available – how do you buy this book? Is it on Amazon or somewhere else?
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Well, not yet. We are now, ourselves, our own company’s sending the books out to the people
who have bought them in advance, so they’re being mailed out.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Oh, so you can buy it but not on Amazon. A lot of people will be very happy with that.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Not on Amazon right now, at least. We wanted to do our own institution. My wife is a genius
and she’s, among her numerable other things, has created this publishing company. The books
are going to be sold in Canada from a Canadian warehouse and a Canadian source so that the
mailing costs will be Canadian and not shipping across the border, and then in the U.S. You go
to our dedicated – well, you can go to Breggin.com, but go to the dedicated website. It’ll much be
easier for you, for the books, which is WeAreThePrey.com, WeAreThePrey.com. Those books
are going out now and you can buy them now. Our first printing’s 20,000. Looks like we may sell
them out.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Great. They’re probably [inaudible 01:05:45].
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Then we’re going to leave that up, Joe, I think forever, the duration, and then it will be
distributed to the bookstores by the end of September.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Okay.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
The people who buy now will get it cheaper and they’ll get it right away.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Is it a paperback or a hardback, hardcover?
Dr. Peter Breggin:
It’s a paperback. It’s about 650 pages, a big book.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Wow.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
It has over 1,000 endnotes, and many of those endnotes contain five or six citations. It has an
amazing chronology, that’s very long, of major events. It’s got a good index. A lot of books don’t
have indexes anymore. It’s got a very detailed index so you can look up names and do things. It’s
got a preface that presents you the overview, because the book grew and grew as things changed
and we understood more and more. It’s got three amazing introductions by literally three of the
top COVID-19 doctors in the world. Peter McCullough, I think you’ve had him on, and Zev
Zelenko and Elizabeth Lee Vliet, all MDs. That’s the kind of folks we have met because we’ve
risked things, and those are all folks who have risked a lot.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah. They’re definitely some of the pioneers and leaders in helping people understand the truth.
In Peter’s case especially, because he is especially well-credentialed in the academic community
and took a big risk by sharing this information, so I’m glad you were able to connect with him.
Man, 700 pages, that’s a whopper of a book. LiterallyDr. Peter Breggin:
Maybe 650, yeah.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah, but that’s still, that is two books in one. That’s going to take a long time to read.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Well, we’ve set it up with a great table of contents. I’ve made it, purposefully, somewhat
repetitive, so you actually could pick this up almost at any chapter that interests you.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Ah, sure.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
You might go right to the chapter that is the bill of particulars against Anthony Fauci.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Or you might go to the chapter 15, which is Bill Gates and the Global Predators.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah, well, it sounds like the connection to the Chinese Communist Party and People’s
Liberation Army might be particularly intriguing because there’s not many people discussing that
aspect of it.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
No, no. But there’s many people, before me, who have documented the way they’ve infiltrated
the government, infiltrated academia, infiltrated every aspect of American life with very sweet –
because Chinese people, as a people, are very gentle, and kind, and thoughtful people, but the
ones who are doing a lot here are under the control of the Communist Party. That’s the way it is.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
In fact, there’s a wonderful Chinese lady, Li-Meng Yan. Li-Meng Yan who calls herself Scarlett.
She was named by her friends in Hong Kong after Gone With the Wind’s Scarlett. She escaped
China to come and tell us about the differences between the countries and the fact that China’s at
war with us. She’s a virologist, among other things, an MD, and to tell us that there’s a war going
on. She was the first place I heard about the covertness of the war, andDr. Joseph Mercola:
She’s an amazing, amazing woman, for sure. She has a very thick Chinese accent, but very, very
bright woman. Very bright.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Yeah. Have you had her on?
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
I have not. I have not been able to connect with her yet, butDr. Peter Breggin:
I can connect you.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah, yeah.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
I’ll connect you.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
She is a treasure, no question.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
She is a treasure andDr. Joseph Mercola:
Because she’s so intelligent. She’s definitely credentialed, and she’s done deep research on this
from the beginning.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Yeah. She’s written scientific papers. I think that if you work with her, she makes a wonderful
guest. She’s been on a lot of shows, but she literally is in hiding and being chased by the Chinese
Communists.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah, I know. She’s got just a terrifying story, if you listen to her. Her husband wanted her
killed. Oh my god. She’s basically in hiding.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
We don’t want to live in that kind of country, folks.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
No, we don’t.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
The fact that she doesn’t get on NBC, and ABC, and all that tells you we’ve already moved in
that direction, that the bravest, most heroic person, in many ways, that I know is Scarlett Yan,
Dr. Scarlett Yan. She’s hardly known at all, outside of the Conservative circles.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Right.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
That just tells you, again, the deterioration of morals and ethics in the institutions of America.
Not just the press. The medical, the scientific. The corruption of medicine is just bizarre. The
AMA (American Medical Association) journal puts online a study of chloroquine, not even
hydroxychloroquine, but the older, slightly more dangerous chloroquine, where they overdose
the patients and kill them, and the overdoses are clearly described. The AMA, JAMA (Journal of
the American Medical Association), the Journal, puts up online this study to terrify our doctors
from treating their patients with hydroxychloroquine. That’s how corrupt it has gotten.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Yeah. Well, kind of a parallelity, a fraudulent study that got published on hydroxychloroquine in
The Lancet last year with Surgisphere data that was completely fabricated, and eventually was,
wound up being retracted, but still used as a justification for the World Health Organization to
dismiss it, and that’s part of the thing. These recommendations they’re making makes perfect
sense because it leads you to believe the vaccine’s the only option, there’s no other option, and
nothing could be further from the truth. Everything else is censored, and disparaged, and
discredited, essentially unfairly. Anyway, we can go on, and on, and on because there’s so much
to be put on.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Thank you, Joe. Thank you for having me on.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
I appreciate everything you’ve done, put together, compiled. The book is, you can pick up at
WeAreThePrey, P-R-E-Y.com, WeAreThePrey.com.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
That’s the website. Yeah, wearetheprey.com is the website.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
You can go there and pick up a copy of the book because you will not be able to buy it on
Amazon. Eventually, I guess, but not for now, for sure.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Not for now. No. We’re paying off our paying customers. We’re giving priority to our customers,
but towards the end of September, the book will be in the bookstores, whichever ones will take
it.
Dr. Joseph Mercola:
All right. Well, that sounds great. Thank you for everything you’ve done. I look forward, and
hope people will really enjoy the work you’ve compiled.
Dr. Peter Breggin:
Thank you, and thank you for your work. God bless you for your work.